tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11932060249249034772024-03-19T04:21:25.706-05:00Thoughts from Polly's GranddaughterA little Cherokee history and genealogy mixed in with a whole lot of truth.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger557125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-71499706223034378382021-10-27T22:45:00.004-05:002021-10-27T22:45:50.446-05:00Who were the Texas Cherokees?<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G23gk-qhrak/YXoYldosg1I/AAAAAAAAGbQ/vYv06U6vjNMSlS33E_k6CDjZOCwCh5hhgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1640/Texas%2BCherokees.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="924" data-original-width="1640" height="225" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G23gk-qhrak/YXoYldosg1I/AAAAAAAAGbQ/vYv06U6vjNMSlS33E_k6CDjZOCwCh5hhgCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h225/Texas%2BCherokees.png" width="400" /></a></div><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%;"></span><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%;">Originally, a group of Cherokees,
led by The Bowl, who had left the United States and settled in the geographical
area now known as the state of Texas were called the “Texas Cherokees.” After
that group was driven out of the Republic of Texas, the term “Texas Cherokees”
was used to describe the survivors (and later descendants of those survivors)
of the “Texas/Cherokee War.” They were the Cherokees that fled the Republic of
Texas after The Bowl was killed in July 1839. Some went to the Cherokee Nation.
Others went as far as the Choctaw Nation and stopped. Another group, led by
John Bowles, son of The Bowl, attempted to get to Mexico. On the way, they
encountered a group of soldiers and John Bowles was killed. Some of the women
and children in the group were captured. The survivors of that attack managed
to reach safety in Mexico and remained there until Sequoyah found them and
requested they return to the Cherokee Nation, within the bounds of the United
States.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%;"></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">A
timeline for the “Texas Cherokees” follows:</span><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></p><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/27784849">1840 or later</a> – Some of the wives
(he had 3) and children of The Bowl requested safe passage through the Republic
of Texas to the Cherokee Nation and were given it, along with an escort and
provisions.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">1840 – The
Cherokee man named Dutch contacted General Arbuckle about approximately 180
Cherokees who had arrived in deplorable condition from the Republic of Texas.
Dutch requested food and provisions for them. (1) <br /></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=arbuckle+texas+cherokee&pg=PA221&printsec=frontcover">28
Apr 1840</a> – General Arbuckle sent a letter to President Lamar of the
Republic of Texas on behalf of the Cherokee Nation government requesting prisoners
be sent to the Cherokee Nation. Arbuckle also wrote that some Cherokees from
the Republic of Texas had recently arrived in the Nation.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://cherokeemuseum.pastperfectonline.com/archive/E2F2BD9F-7754-4193-9D52-355974405172">25
Jan 1842</a> – Oosooti, a Cherokee that had previously lived in “Texas” and a signer
of the Houston-Bowls Treaty in 1836, wrote a letter witnessed by Jesse
Bushyhead, explaining he represented seventeen families consisting of about one
hundred souls that had to leave everything they owned behind as they were
forced out of Texas. He requested provisions for a year, clothing, cooking and
farm implements, promising to remain with their friends and allies in the
Cherokee Nation and to never leave the United States again.</span><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=SE020">1842</a>
– Sequoyah, his son, Teesee, and others went to Mexico in search of the
Cherokees who had fled there.</span><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=lightening%20bug">1843</a>
– Lightening Bug Bowles was living in the Cherokee Nation. He ran for tribal
council in the Canadian District but was ineligible, possibly due to length of
time in his district or his age.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.tsl.texas.gov/treasures/indians/birds-01.html">29 Sept 1843</a>
– The Treaty of Bird’s Fort was “signed”. A Cherokee named Chicken Trotter left
his mark on the treaty. There were about 30 Cherokees present and they were in
desperate condition. They had recently returned from Mexico and <a href="https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth80499/m1/2/zoom/?q=bowles&resolution=2&lat=2846.868405674909&lon=1115.86692800575">had
been robbed</a> of all their possessions, including their clothing. The family
of The Bowl refused to attend the council until the women and children were
given proper clothing.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth786487/m1/72/zoom/?resolution=1.5&lat=3375&lon=750">15
May 1844</a> – There was a council meeting of Indians and agents in the
Republic of Texas. Cherokee Chicken Trotter spoke on the third day. He said all
the Cherokees in Texas were there and asked about the daughters of Chu-ti-koo who
had been taken by a different tribe.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.fold3.com/image/292360531">6 Dec 1844</a> – Tahluntusky
Council in the Cherokee Nation took place. Lightening Bug Bowles was listed in
Canadian District on Old Settler list.</span><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=wrRTXeZlby0C&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=letter+sent+by+Standing+Rock+sequoyah&source=bl&ots=Uqd6Rsknbo&sig=ACfU3U1rxQsi6POZikl9YlAjYLzV6iQBkg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOwuzt8OvzAhXPaM0KHctYBqIQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=letter%20sent%20by%20Standing%20Rock%20sequoyah&f=false">21
April 1845</a> – A letter was sent from Warren’s Trading House, signed by Cherokees
Standing Man, Standing Rock, and Watch Justice, witnessed by Jesse Chisholm,
informing the Cherokee Nation that Sequoyah was dead. Standing Rock was with
Sequoyah and buried him in Mexico.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth786487/m1/357/zoom/?q=%22chicken%20trotter%22&resolution=2&lat=3375&lon=750">19
Sept 1845</a> – Cherokee “Chief” Wagon Bowles spoke at the first day of a Tehuacana
Council held at Torrey’s Trading House.</span><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth786487/m1/362/zoom/?q=keese&resolution=2&lat=3375&lon=750">20
Sept 1845</a> – A Cherokee named Keese spoke at the second day of the Tehuacana
Council held at Torrey’s Trading House.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">13 Oct 1845
– The Treaty Party Expedition rode into the Cherokee settlement in Texas. Dr
Thompson, David Bell, and Brice Martin went to Torrey’s Trading House, about 8
miles away. William Holt and Jack Griffin went to see Bowles who lived 5 miles
above the village. (2)</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">22 Oct 1845
– The Treaty Party Expedition left the Cherokee village with Teesee Guess as
their guide. (2)</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://archive.org/stream/chroniclesofokl1319okla_0/chroniclesofokl1319okla_0_djvu.txt">13
Feb 1846</a> – Teesee Guess visited the camp of Elijah Hicks who had accompanied
Cherokee Agent Butler and Col M.G. Lewis into Texas to assist with a treaty for
Texas Indians.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://archive.org/stream/chroniclesofokl1319okla_0/chroniclesofokl1319okla_0_djvu.txt">18
Feb 1846</a> – Teesee Guess and Jesse Chisholm visited the camp of Elijah
Hicks.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Senate_Documents_Otherwise_Publ_as_Publi/FocFAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22chicken%20trotter%22">21
Feb 1846</a> – Chicken Trotter delivered a lost white boy to the camp of Elijah
Hicks.</span><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://archive.org/stream/chroniclesofokl1319okla_0/chroniclesofokl1319okla_0_djvu.txt">23
Feb 1846</a> – Elijah Hicks assisted Chicken Trotter at the trading post.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22lightning%20bug%22">1847</a>
– Lightening Bug Bowles was in the Cherokee Nation and serving on the tribal
council representing the Canadian District.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">18 Nov 1847
– The Cherokees remaining in Texas moved closer to “Warren’s Trading House”
after being attacked.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22lightning%20bug%22">1849</a>
– Lightening Bug Bowles was in the Cherokee Nation and serving in the tribal
senate representing the Canadian District.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.fold3.com/?group=1">1851</a> – Several Bowles were listed on
the Old Settler roll, including Lightening Bug, Standing Man, Standing in the
Middle, and Oo-tar-ye. Took her Guess, the wife of Teesee Guess, daughter of The Bowl, was also
on the Old Settler roll. All were in the Canadian District. Teesee Guess was on
the Drennen roll in the Canadian District.</span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">18 Mar 1853
– The “Texas Cherokee” started their suit against Texas for their lost land and
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York Times; New York, New York; 18 March 1853; p6.</span></td></tr></tbody></table></span></li><li><span style="font-family: Symbol; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22lightning%20bug%22">1853</a>
– Wagon Bowles was in the Cherokee Nation and serving on the tribal council
representing the Canadian District. Lightening Bug Bowles was the other council
person serving from the Canadian District. Teesee Guess was serving in the
tribal senate from the Canadian District.</span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> <br /></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">After an exhaustive search, Chicken
Trotter was not found in records after 1846.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">After 1847, the “Texas Cherokees” <i>known
to be in Texas</i> disappear from records there and start appearing in records
of the Cherokee Nation.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">From 1853 on, the “Texas Cherokees and
associate tribes” was a sub-group of Cherokees living within the Cherokee
Nation who organized to seek compensation for the land and property they lost when
they were driven out of the Republic of Texas.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">In 1870, representatives and
descendants of the Cherokees who formerly lived in Texas and who were known as
the “<a href="https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41766/m1/19/zoom/?resolution=3&lat=3328.5&lon=750">Texas
Cherokees and their associate bands</a>” hired and gave power of attorney to
William Penn Adair and Clement Neely Vann to prosecute their claims against
Texas or the United States. The power of attorney specifically said ALL of those
known as the Texas Cherokees and associate bands lived in the Cherokee Nation.
They were not in Texas. They were not in Mexico. They were in the Cherokee
Nation.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">There were former citizens of the
Cherokee Nation living in Texas in 1870, but they were not affiliated with the
group known as the “Texas Cherokees.” There may have been former citizens of
the Choctaw Nation, Creek Nation, and Chickasaw Nation living in Texas in 1870,
too. If so, they were not the “associate bands” of the “Texas Cherokees.” We know
this because the power of attorney said all of those known as the “Texas
Cherokees and associated bands” were living in the Cherokee Nation.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Today, the “Mount Tabor Indian
Community” in Texas represents itself as the descendants and heirs of the “Texas
Cherokees and associate bands,” but the evidence clearly shows this claim is
not true. The descendants of the “Texas Cherokees and associate bands”
relocated to the Cherokee Nation by 1853 and stayed there.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Thanks for reading,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Polly’s Granddaughter</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><i><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Note: The term “Texas Cherokees” does
NOT include the group of Treaty Party members that moved to the state of Texas.
Coming soon: “The Treaty Party in Texas.”</span></i><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-font-family: Georgia;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-font-family: Georgia;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 200%; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">(1)Advancing the Frontier, Grant Foreman,
p166.</span>
<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 200%; margin-left: 0.25in;"><span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin;">(2)William Minor Quesenbury Diary, University of
Arkansas, Fayetteville.</span></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">http://pollysgranddaughter.blogspot.com/
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-8581090650286163742021-10-10T13:28:00.001-05:002021-10-10T14:58:37.151-05:00Similar name, different man: Devereaux Jarratt Bell vs Deveraux J. Bell<p style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">“If taken at face value, records and their “facts” can deceive, mislead, or confuse us.” - </span></span></b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;"><a href="https://bcgcertification.org/event/context-powerful-tool-for-problem-solving/" target="_blank">Elizabeth Shown Mills</a> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Anyone who has done genealogical research very long is aware of the “mischievous facts” that can sneak into our work and throw us off track. Recently while doing my reasonably exhaustive search for information on a Cherokee man named Devereaux “Jarratt Bell”, I encountered some “facts” that could have misled me if I hadn’t evaluated those “facts” through the lens of their time as well as in comparison with other established facts about Jarratt Bell.</span></span></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;"><b>Similar name, but not the same man</b> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Jarratt Bell, an Indian and citizen of the Cherokee Nation, was well documented throughout his life. Between the years <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2021/09/genealogicalogical-research-and-common.html" target="_blank">1837 and 1842</a>, he was found on twenty-two documents. He was an interpreter for U. S. Indian agents before removing from Georgia to Indian Territory in the detachment led by his older brother, John A. Bell. Upon his arrival in Indian Territory, he carried mail for the detachment. Later, he was recorded as working as a blacksmith assistant; writing letters and documents as a clerk for the National Committee of the Cherokee Nation; witnessing claims filed by his father and brother; and acting as a claim’s agent in Flint district.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">In a plethora of documents, records, family correspondence, and newspaper articles, Jarratt Bell is never found in the Republic of Texas or the state of Texas. Many in his family settled in the state of Texas shortly before and during the U. S. Civil War. While those relatives are <a href="https://books.google.com/books/about/Cherokee_Cavaliers.html?id=1H4GAQAAIAAJ" target="_blank">documented</a> as being there, Jarratt is not.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Despite the absence of records of Jarratt Bell in the Republic of Texas and the state of Texas, a different man named Deveraux J. Bell was found on a <a href="https://s3.glo.texas.gov/ncu/SCANDOCS/archives_webfiles/arcmaps/webfiles/landgrants/PDFs/1/0/6/2/1062303.pdf" target="_blank">clerk’s list</a> of those receiving land grant certificates between December 5, 1839 and January 11, 1840. That same man, Deveraux J. Bell, was also listed on the <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4TRZ-X?i=2&cc=1827575&cat=986276" target="_blank">1840 Tax Roll</a> of Nacogdoches County. He owned one horse and one watch. He was not found in any other records in the Republic of Texas after a reasonably exhaustive search of those records.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">While a novice researcher or someone <a href="https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Cherry-Picking" target="_blank">cherry picking</a> “facts” might argue “the name’s the same, so they are the same person”, they are not the same man. First, the names are similar, not the same. We have no indication for what the J in the name of Deveraux J. Bell represents. Second, even if it was an exact match on the name, it doesn’t mean it was the same man. <a href="https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-7-family-lore-and-indian-princesses" target="_blank">Same name</a> is not always the same person.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">During the analysis of the numerous records found on Jarratt Bell, he is never recorded as using the name Devereaux on any document created during his lifetime. As a child, a young man, and to his family, he was “Jarratt.” In his legal and professional life which started in 1837, he was D. J. Bell. <b>This is a key factor in his identity.</b> His given name appears to have been Devereaux, but he was never known by that name, and he never used it on documents. “Devereaux” does not appear in records as his name until forty years after his death when his siblings, nieces, and nephews filed <a href="https://www.fold3.com/title/73/eastern-cherokee-applications" target="_blank">Eastern Cherokee applications</a> and claimed through him. The two records in the Republic of Texas for a man named “Deveraux J. Bell” do not match the well-established <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2313-5778/3/1/2/htm" target="_blank">identity</a> of Jarratt Bell.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Some might believe the name “Devereaux” is too unique to belong to two different men, but it wasn’t unusual or rare in the early 1800s. A highly respected minister throughout Virginia and North Carolina was named <a href="https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/jarratt-devereux-1733-1801/" target="_blank">Devereux Jarratt</a>. He died in 1801 and some devout parents may have named their sons after him. An examination of the U. S. censuses of 1830-1850 on Family Search revealed over 100 men named Devereux (various spellings.) Because <a href="https://www.thoughtco.com/bell-surname-meaning-and-origin-1422459" target="_blank">Bell* is a common surname</a>, it would not be beyond the realm of possibilities to find other men with the same or a similar name to the Cherokee man named Devereaux “Jarratt Bell”.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Though one might be tempted to stop the evaluation of evidence after establishing the differences in the identities of Jarratt Bell and Deveraux J. Bell, it’s not enough to review only “facts” attached to names. We must also analyze “facts” within the context of the place and time they occurred. When comparing the two men, it is important to remember the bitter climate that existed in the Republic of Texas toward Cherokees in 1839. <a href="https://dc.library.okstate.edu/digital/collection/p17279coll4/id/37536" target="_blank">The Bowl</a> and his followers were nearly annihilated by the Texans in July that year. Those that survived either fled to the <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=arbuckle%20texas%20cherokee&pg=PA221&printsec=frontcover&bsq=arbuckle%20texas%20cherokee" target="_blank">Cherokee Nation</a> or they tried to get to Mexico for safety. Cherokees were not trying to get into the Republic of Texas that year. They were trying to get out. It was not safe for them there.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">To reiterate that point, in December 1839, soldiers encountered the <a href="https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/cherokee-war" target="_blank">Cherokee remnant</a> trying to get to Mexico. They killed John Bowles, son of The Bowl, and <a href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Cherokee_Indians_and_Thei/Ei0TAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=arbuckle%20texas%20cherokee&pg=PA221&printsec=frontcover&bsq=arbuckle%20texas%20cherokee" target="_blank">captured</a> other Bowles family members. The few remaining survivors of that attack managed to escape and cross into <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=wrRTXeZlby0C&lpg=PA69&ots=Uqd4Wnruaq&dq=letter%20from%20standing%20bowles%20sequoyah%20death&pg=PA69#v=onepage&q=letter%20from%20standing%20bowles%20sequoyah%20death&f=false" target="_blank">Mexico where they remained</a> until 1843 when <a href="https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=SE020" target="_blank">Sequoyah</a> found them.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">In stark contrast, while Cherokees were fleeing from the Republic of Texas in 1839, white settlers were flooding into the area chasing free land. The Republic was awarding land grants to those who qualified. A single man named Deveraux J. Bell arrived December 16, 1839 and was granted a certificate for 320 acres by the Board of Land Commission Office. He received a <a href="https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth6726/m1/39/" target="_blank">third-class headright grant</a>. Only free white men were eligible for those land grants.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Clearly there were two men, one Indian and one white, with similar names. Only one was eligible for the land grant in the Republic of Texas. It was not the Cherokee man named Devereaux “Jarratt Bell”. Inept analysis of the “facts” on one man or the other could deceive a researcher, leading them to believe all the “facts” apply to only one man. Unfortunately, in research involving Cherokees, there are also some people who carelessly or intentionally combine “facts” from more than one person to create the ancestor they want. Whether accidental or deliberate, playing with “facts” in such a way would be an injustice to the legacy of both men.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">We, as genealogists and researchers, are the only voice people from the past have today. They are not characters in a fictional story we want to tell, but instead, real people who lived upon this Earth and left their mark in some way or another. If we are going to tell their story, the least we can do is tell it correctly. It’s important to be aware that “facts” can mislead us if we don’t carefully examine and evaluate each piece of data we find, ensuring those “facts” belong in the narrative of another person’s life.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Those are my thoughts for today,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Polly’s Granddaughter </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;"><span style="font-size: small;">*Bell is the 67th most common surname in the United States</span> <br /></span></span></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">http://pollysgranddaughter.blogspot.com/
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-64806540750708330742021-10-01T23:47:00.001-05:002021-10-01T23:47:30.425-05:00The Gardner Green Series: Northup No Longer Claims Young Wolf/Gardner Green<p><span style="font-family: georgia;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In 2019, after my blog series on Gardner Green, I received an email from Beverly Baker Northup, "chief" of the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory. She said she had read my blog and decided she would not claim Gardner Green any longer. Baker removing Gardner Green from the "Northern Cherokee" history removes him from the history of the splinter tribes as well. That battle is finally over. Without Gardner Green, their claim collapses.</span><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CF3z-cEVhHo/YVfaXsnQ97I/AAAAAAAAGac/I_biRgEswE43ofmoVGTI6pyGN8eYJCsNgCLcBGAsYHQ/s876/Northup%2BEmail.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="311" data-original-width="876" height="142" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CF3z-cEVhHo/YVfaXsnQ97I/AAAAAAAAGac/I_biRgEswE43ofmoVGTI6pyGN8eYJCsNgCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h142/Northup%2BEmail.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Click to enlarge<br /></td></tr></tbody></table></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">The Missouri groups have been exposed and they no longer claim our Young Wolf/Gardner Green. Though I know there has been a renewed interest in once again trying to "expose" these groups by some Cherokees, our time might be better spent focusing in another direction. There are over 200 other fake Cherokee tribes throughout the United States and they aren't going anywhere if we remain distracted by the already debunked groups in Missouri.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">In my opinion, if we <i>truly</i> care about addressing the issue of ALL fake Cherokee tribes, it's time we turn our attention to another state and work to expose the fake "Cherokee" tribe trickery going on there. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">It's time we look toward Texas.<br /></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Those are my thoughts for today,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: georgia;">Polly's Granddaughter</span></span><br /></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">http://pollysgranddaughter.blogspot.com/
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-50956982583766153912021-09-10T01:44:00.001-05:002021-09-10T02:03:53.881-05:00Genealogical Research and Common Sense <p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Not too long ago, while doing a bit of research, I ran across an interesting "person" on Find A Grave. A Cherokee man was listed as "<a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/20168438/devereaux-jarrett-bell" target="_blank">Devereaux Jarrett Chicken Trotter Bell</a>." Hmmm...what a name, huh?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">It caught my attention because, though I've been neglecting my blog, I've been giving a lot of attention to my research...for a book...about a Cherokee man named Devereaux Jarrett Bell.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">I don't have time to share all my research here and there is not nearly enough room to do so, but because that name above is such a glaring mistake and so simple to debunk, I thought I'd use it as an example of the fact that all the documents and records in the world won't help our genealogical research if we don't use common sense.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">The Cherokee man named Devereaux Jarrett Bell was called Jarrett/Jarratt by his family and close friends. Legally and professionally, he was known as D.J. Bell. He was from the affluent Cherokee Bell family and a brother to the Treaty of New Echota signer, John A. Bell. He was fairly well educated and a student at the Choctaw Academy in 1834 when he was 18 years old. On the transcription below, his name was recorded as "Jarratt Bee?" He was described as having a "Good mind."</span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://cdm17279.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p17279coll4/id/42539/rec/44" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="276" data-original-width="464" height="238" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nbfgbZaSc70/YTr0fb9vwLI/AAAAAAAAGZY/HFeU1q4pijQZVsbzs0CTbPiL7faBJH1AQCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h238/J%2BBell%2BChoctaw%2BAcademy%2BTranscription.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Chronicles of Oklahoma, Vol. 9, No.4</span></td><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><br /></td><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><br /></td><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><br /></td></tr></tbody></table></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">After leaving school, Jarrett worked as an interpreter for US agents in the Cherokee Nation. In 1838, he removed from the east in the detachment led by his brother, John A. Bell, also known as the Treaty Party detachment.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">1842 was a big year for him. Not only did he sign as the witness for the claims filed by his father and brother David against the United States for losses of property in the east,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zq1fCpmhmis/YTr05Jho_HI/AAAAAAAAGZk/SGdB9SSZoe4J8bzfJ07J1DhaTNvKKuA9gCLcBGAsYHQ/s785/Witness%2Bto%2BClaim_David.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="580" data-original-width="785" height="295" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zq1fCpmhmis/YTr05Jho_HI/AAAAAAAAGZk/SGdB9SSZoe4J8bzfJ07J1DhaTNvKKuA9gCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h295/Witness%2Bto%2BClaim_David.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">1842 Flint District Book 2 #128 David Bell</span></td></tr></tbody></table></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">he was a secretary/clerk for the Cherokee National Committee.</span></p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/40261044-1" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="504" data-original-width="723" height="279" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lpWVQAF_PjE/YTr1QUqDvZI/AAAAAAAAGZs/BFE_4C1p0IYuHJRxHtFle_vi6buEOw-ngCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h279/Bell%2BNC%2Bsec%2Bclerk.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Letter from Joseph Vann to John Ross - Gilcrease Museum</span><br /></td></tr></tbody></table><span style="font-family: georgia;"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">He was also a claims agent in Flint District, writing the claims for Cherokees to file against the United States for their lost property.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SHK69hO-DFM/YTr1fzgyx_I/AAAAAAAAGZw/K466AVfFPiA7cJvTf_OxH76pk6WFTVpCACLcBGAsYHQ/s1960/Bell%2BClaims%2Bagent2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1882" data-original-width="1960" height="384" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SHK69hO-DFM/YTr1fzgyx_I/AAAAAAAAGZw/K466AVfFPiA7cJvTf_OxH76pk6WFTVpCACLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h384/Bell%2BClaims%2Bagent2.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">1842 Flint District Book 2 #27 Ellis Hogner</span><br /></td></tr></tbody></table></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Here's where it gets interesting. According to the Find A Grave biography on the "Devereaux Jarrett Chicken Trotter Bell" page, Devereaux Jarrett Bell was also known as Chicken Trotter and a signer of the Treaty of Bird's Fort with the Republic of Texas in 1843. Common sense tells us that's not true. While Jarrett could read and write English very well, the man named Chicken Trotter who signed the Treaty of Bird's Fort could not.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">The man named Chicken Trotter who signed the Treaty of Bird's Fort in 1843 signed the treaty with a mark. That means he could not write his name.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;"><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.tsl.texas.gov/treasures/indians/birds-10.html" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="238" data-original-width="609" height="156" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-toWoDyMo27I/YTr1uEufTGI/AAAAAAAAGZ4/PHCPUdZgsww-FchW5C0WENe_4lAsbZh2ACLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h156/Chicken%2BTrotter%2Bmark%2Bbirds-p10.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Texas State Library and Archives Commission</span><br /></td></tr></tbody></table></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Common sense tells us that the man who, in 1842, repeatedly wrote important letters and documents in English is not the same man who, a year later in 1843, could only sign a treaty with a mark.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">That Find A Grave entry has combined two real Cherokee men, Devereaux Jarrett Bell and Chicken Trotter, into one mythological Cherokee folk hero. It's an unfortunate mistake that could have been avoided if someone would have done a bit of research and used common sense. One man could read and write in English. The other could not. They are not the same man. It's that simple.<br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Thanks for reading,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Polly's Granddaughter<br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;"> <br /></span></p><div class="blogger-post-footer">http://pollysgranddaughter.blogspot.com/
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-22303720454801156552021-09-03T23:47:00.000-05:002021-09-03T23:47:02.747-05:00First Annual Cherokee Nation Holiday Program - 1953<p><span style="font-family: georgia;"><i>Note: I haven't written in this blog for a while. I'm sorry for that. The pandemic has taken it's toll on everyone, me included. It's been a difficult year and a half. Not only has life changed, there has been a devastating loss of life, including some of my friends and family. Hopefully we will eventually be able to move past Covid-19 and life will begin to look a little more like we are used to. Until then, I'll post when I can.</i><br /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: georgia;">Because we are currently celebrating the Cherokee National Holiday, I thought I'd share the program from the First Annual Cherokee National Holiday in 1953. (Click on the photos to enlarge.) <br /></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m2_PPdQDFlM/YTL1P1hBb9I/AAAAAAAAGWA/yqZN1oEIVuU8VxBhRejE0Go5M3zr5OGLACLcBGAsYHQ/s959/Screenshot%2B%25281618%2529.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="687" data-original-width="959" height="286" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m2_PPdQDFlM/YTL1P1hBb9I/AAAAAAAAGWA/yqZN1oEIVuU8VxBhRejE0Go5M3zr5OGLACLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h286/Screenshot%2B%25281618%2529.png" width="400" /></a><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tdjWbeeIbts/YTL2mVuQK7I/AAAAAAAAGXw/pys8GZgjMEYnDU61sFZUG604kZil73l0gCLcBGAsYHQ/s955/Screenshot%2B%25281617%2529.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="686" data-original-width="955" height="288" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tdjWbeeIbts/YTL2mVuQK7I/AAAAAAAAGXw/pys8GZgjMEYnDU61sFZUG604kZil73l0gCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h288/Screenshot%2B%25281617%2529.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-4852860477569931942019-11-23T01:27:00.000-06:002019-11-23T01:27:46.277-06:00The living relatives of “Gardner Green”<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">The non-profit groups in Missouri known as the Northern
Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory and the Northern Cherokee Nation
both claim descent from a Cherokee man who was listed as “Gardner Green” on the
1835 Census of the Cherokee Nation. That claim was debunked earlier in this
series in a post titled “<a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/young-wolf-son-of-mouse.html" target="_blank">Young Wolf, son of The Mouse</a>.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Since publishing that post, many have wondered about the
actual Cherokee family of Young Wolf, aka Gardiner Green. At this time, though
no living direct descendants have been identified, many living nieces and
nephews of varying degrees have been found.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Young Wolf had at least seven siblings through his father, The
Mouse. One of those siblings was named Ool-stoo or Leaves on a Tree. There is
an abundance of information that supports the conclusion that The Mouse was the father of both Young
Wolf and Ool-stoo. Most of that documentation will be shared later in the
biographies of The Mouse and Ool-stoo.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Ool-stoo’s daughter, Peggie Redbird, recorded her father’s
name in her Eastern Cherokee application.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Peggie Redbird, Eastern Cherokee Application #4605, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">She also said her paternal grandfather was Rat. (The same word
can be used to describe both mouse and rat in Cherokee.)</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Peggie Redbird, Eastern Cherokee Application #4605, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Peggie had several siblings, including a sister named Too-nah-ye
and a brother named Stephen, both dead.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Peggie Redbird, Eastern Cherokee Application #4605, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Because Too-nah-ye died in 1904, she did not live long enough
to file an Eastern Cherokee application but her daughter did.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">John and Jennie Cornsilk</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Jennie Cornsilk nee Walker listed her mother as Too-nah-ye Ool-stoo
but did not state the name of her maternal grandfather on her first application.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jennie Cornsilk, Eastern Cherokee Application #2271, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">She did list both Peggie Redbird, living, and Steve Ool-stoo,
dead, as her aunt and uncle though.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jennie Cornsilk, Eastern Cherokee Application #2271, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">Later, Jennie filed another application. Though difficult to
read, she listed her maternal grandfather as Oo-loo-stoo.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jennie Cornsilk, Eastern Cherokee Application #12540, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">At the time of the Eastern Cherokee applications, Jennie
Cornsilk nee Walker was the widow of a man named John Cornsilk. Their son,
William Cornsilk, filed his own Eastern Cherokee application. He listed his
mother as Jennie Cornsilk, and grandmother as Too-nah-ye. While this information
seems redundant, it’s important because it links the generations together.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">William Cornsilk, Eastern Cherokee Application #12543, Fold3.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">One of the relatives William claimed through was his great
grandfather on his mother’s side, Oo-loo-stoo.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Georgia",serif; font-size: 14.0pt; line-height: 107%;">William also listed his wife as “Kattie Cornsilk”, 30 years
old.</span></div>
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Green, descend from Cherokee families with the surnames Rat, Rider, Swimmer,
Tincup, Hogner, Wolfe, Spade, Manus, Scraper, and many more. Those lineages from
The Mouse will be explored later in this blog.**</span></div>
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-86853804422808441482019-08-27T23:04:00.001-05:002019-10-16T20:11:06.904-05:00Brief Update<br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">I know it appears I've abandoned my blog, but nothing could be further from the truth. I've been doing some in depth research on a Cherokee man born circa 1770 and will soon be able to share the biographies of him and most of his children. It's taken a great deal of time to research the family, but that time and effort has been well worth it. I can't wait to share these stories and lineages. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Also, if you haven't seen it yet, please read the article from the LA Times on the white contractors who pretended to be Cherokee so they could get contracts intended for minorities. Two of the groups in the article are the Northern groups featured in the<a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/the-gardner-green-series.html" target="_blank"> Gardner Green series</a>/The Birth of a Fake Tribe. The article exposes one reason fake tribes and false claims of Cherokee ancestry are harmful. A link to the article is below.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-cherokee-minority-contracts-20190626-story.html" target="_blank">Claiming to be Cherokee, contractors with white ancestry got $300 million by Adam Elmahrek, Paul Pringle</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">More genealogy and stories of our ancestors coming soon. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Thank you for your patience. </span></span><br />
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-44273758273202468622018-10-16T01:28:00.000-05:002018-10-16T01:28:34.085-05:00Elizabeth Warren is not a friend to Indian Country<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>I have serious concern over Elizabeth Warren's claim that she is a non-enrolled Native American, <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american/index.html" target="_blank">"proved" by DNA</a>. My concern is best explained <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/10/why-elizabeth-warren-issue-is-not-about.html" target="_blank">with the words of anthropologist Michael Lambert</a>, a citizen of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. He described Cherokee identity politics as a "battle over sovereignty":</span></span></span>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>"One
of the terrains on which this is being fought is that of how we define
"Indian." The current effort to define Indian as a racial/cultural group
is an effort to extinguish Indian sovereignty. The only way for Indian
nations to defend and expand their sovereignty is to make exclusive
claim to defining who is Indian and what it means to be Indian...</span></span></span>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>What
does this have to do with non-enrolled Cherokees identifying as such? I
see the basis of claims to Indian identity to be political acts. This
is, and has been, a battle over sovereignty. One who bases their claim
to Indian identity on any basis other than sovereignty is not taking a
pro-Indian position."</span></span></span></blockquote>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span>To be very clear, despite everything Warren said and <a href="https://elizabethwarren.com/blog/my-speech-to-the-national-congress-of-american-indians" target="_blank">promised in her speech</a>
to the National Congress of American Indians and despite her new
efforts to win over Indian country by proposing legislation "for us", she is not taking
a pro-Indian position because she continues to claim she's Native
American while admitting she is not enrolled. </span><br /> </span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">Those <span>who insist <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-native-american/index.html" target="_blank">Warren's DNA test</a> legitimizes her claim are not taking a pro-Indian position either. <a href="https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/no-elizabeth-warren-cannot-prove-shes-native-american-merely-by-taking-a-dna-test/" target="_blank">DNA doesn't define who is or is not an Indian</a>.
Only tribes can do that. To say anything else, including DNA,
determines who is or is not Indian is a political attack on tribal
sovereignty. The three Cherokee Indian nations who have government to
government relationships with the United States have said Warren is not
Cherokee. That should be the end of it. Unfortunately Warren refuses to let it go.</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span><span> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>By trying to make Native American identity about race instead of tribal sovereignty, Warren has done more harm with this DNA test than she ever did with her
false claim of being Cherokee. I truly hope authentic Native Americans watch what she
does more than they listen to what she says. She is not a friend
to us or our tribal governments. Instead, she is a "skeen yoneg" [white devil] and she's leading an attack on tribal sovereignty that could destroy all of us.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span><span class="UFICommentActorAndBody"><span><span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>The only thing Warren had to do was admit she was wrong and apologize. She not only refused to do that, but pushed back against it until she went too far. Now her time for apology has passed. At this point, the only thing we Native Americans can do to show her how incredibly alarming and offensive her actions have become is to turn our backs on her while asking the American people to join us and do the same.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">Thanks for reading.</span></span><br />
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those who might argue she is no longer claiming a tribe but simply the
generic label of "Native American", that is absurd. Until she was
called out for her false claim of Cherokee ancestry, she specifically
claimed to be Cherokee. </span></i></span></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><i>She
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-64405708635168271272018-09-23T18:05:00.000-05:002018-09-23T23:59:54.379-05:00Gardner Green Series: The Birth of a Fake Tribe<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Unraveling the birth of the original fake Cherokee tribe in Missouri is complicated. There are several groups that claim to be the original, but the documents filed with the state, the available group histories, and interviews with people involved at the time make it clear which group was the first and which groups splintered from it.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">There are at least three non-profit groups registered with the <a href="https://bsd.sos.mo.gov/businessentity/besearch.aspx?searchtype=0" target="_blank">Missouri Secretary of State's office</a> who claim to be Cherokee tribes who descend from "the Green Band" or Benjamin Green, purported son of the Gardner Green found on the 1835 Census of the Cherokee Nation. These groups are:</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory (Columbia, MO)</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Northern Cherokee Nation (Clinton, MO/Cuba, MO)</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Sac River/White River Bands of the Chickamauga Cherokee Nation, Inc. (Thornfield, MO)</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/09/a-final-rejection-and-emergence-of-fake.html" target="_blank">most active</a> at this time appears to be the Northern Cherokee Nation (aka NCN), a non-profit out of Clinton, Missouri. The group claims to be the original "tribe" and says, <a href="http://www.northerncherokeenation.com/faqs.html" target="_blank">on its website</a>, that the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory split from them.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The fact the OLT group is the original is also supported by both the history of the group, <i>We Are Not Yet Conquered: The History of the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory</i> by Beverly Baker Northup, and by J.C. Thompson, a founder of the OLT group and key player in developing it into the entity it is today.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Northern Cherokee Nation from Clinton, Missouri did not become a state non-profit until 1991 and that only happened after conflict and turmoil in the original group. Much of what the NCN claims is their history occurred years before they were an autonomous group. Because the NCN sprang from the original group, it is impossible to write the authentic history of it without first addressing the history of the group from which it splintered.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The key events in the early history of the OLT are numerous. In an effort to explore these events in condensed form, it seems best to present a timeline of them first and explore each topic (recognition, grants, gaming, etc...) individually in later posts.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">A timeline of key events in the OLT history follows:</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1982 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Beverly Baker Northup and her sister, Margaret Foley, became involved with the OLT after finding a letter at the Missouri Historical Society written by J.C. Thompson about the "Northern Cherokee Tribe."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">J.C. Thompson sent a letter to Margaret Foley that listed the group leaders, including himself as Director of Tribal Affairs. Others listed were Dave Quentin, Virgil Simons, Lucy Kaufman, Cliff Harris, Jr., Marlene Corwin, Jess W. Cutting, Calvin Green, Everett J. Harris, and Betty Simmons.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Thompson said the leadership had taken a vote and it was 10 votes yes, 2 not voting, to have the permanent tribal office in Columbia, Missouri.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group registered as a non-profit through the state of Missouri as the Northern Cherokee Tribe of Indians.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">J.C. Thompson was the registered agent for the group.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1983 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">An application for an <a href="https://www.acf.hhs.gov/ana/grants" target="_blank">Administration of Native Americans</a> (hereafter ANA) grant was filed. Amount requested was approximately $86,100 in salaries, with the largest salary going to J.C. Thompson for $26,000. The grant was denied.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group considered an attempt to get the "Green Settlement." There were disagreements over the "money" and no attempt was made.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In order to raise money and at the suggestion of J.C. Thompson, the group formed a new non-profit, Northern Cherokee Indian Community Association. "Non-tribal" members were allowed to join for a fee. Baker Northup agreed with the idea, but some in the group did not. Inner conflicts began.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">J.C. Thompson, Margaret Foley, and Beverly Baker Northup met with State Senator Roger Wilson about obtaining state recognition.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group received a proclamation from Missouri Governor Christopher Bond.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup became registered agent for the "tribe."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">J.C. Thompson said he would step down from his position as Director of Tribal Affairs unless the group got some money. He did eventually resign his position that year, but remained active in the group.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Chet Ellis of the <a href="http://www.kcindiancenter.org/index.shtml" target="_blank">Indian Center</a> in Kansas City, Missouri opposed the group and repeatedly stated there was no such thing as a Northern Cherokee Tribe.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1984 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group reached out to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kelly_(American_politician)" target="_blank">Missouri State Representative Chris Kelly</a> for a legislative act to give them state recognition.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group received a Missouri House Proclamation of Recognition signed by Speaker of the House, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_F._Griffin" target="_blank">Bob F. Griffin</a>.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup was "elected" chief.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1985 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group attempted to get legislative state recognition again. Representative <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kelly_(American_politician)" target="_blank">Chris Kelly</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Wilson" target="_blank">Senator Roger Wilson</a> assisted.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The act passed the House but died in the Senate Committee.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The act was attached to another bill to try to get it through the legislature.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The bill passed in both the House and the Senate.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The <a href="http://www.cherokee.org/" target="_blank">Cherokee Nation</a> opposed the state recognition of the group.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The bill was vetoed by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft" target="_blank">Missouri Governor John Ashcroft </a>who said he believed only the federal government had the authority to recognize Indian tribes.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group changed the name of their non-profit, Northern Cherokee Indian Community Association, to Tsa-la-gi Wa-sha-she.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group received an ANA grant of $25,000.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Sandy Clark, Beverly Baker Northup and her daughter, Sherry, started research for federal recognition, paying themselves from the ANA grant funds.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group sent a <a href="https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/as-ia/ofa/admindocs/ListPetByState_2013-11-12.pdf" target="_blank">Letter of Intent to the BIA</a> in 1985, though the letter is now credited to the Northern Cherokee Nation in Clinton despite the fact they did not yet exist.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Internal conflict started over the ANA funds. J.C. Thompson and others felt they should have a share.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Chet Ellis opposed the group receiving any grant or money intended for tribes or Indians.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1986 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">They applied for another ANA grant. They were denied.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1987 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">They were denied for a Missouri Surplus equipment grant.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">They were awarded another ANA grant. They received $30,000.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">J.C. Thompson started a "culture group" called the Chickamauga Community Organization and wanted to attach it to Tsa-la-gi Wa-sha-she. The Sac River area people were the most interested in it but later that interest waned due to political issues.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1988 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The group gave up on state recognition in Missouri and attempted to gain it in Arkansas. Their attempts were unsuccessful.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1989 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Carl Griggs applied for enrollment and wrote a letter to the OLT explaining he'd like to open bingo parlors under their non-profit status and promised to give 12% of earnings to the group.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup and others rejected the idea.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Past conflicts started to escalate.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1990 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">There was lots of turmoil and conflict in the OLT.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">J.C. Thompson suggested Baker Northup issue a state of emergency, suspend the constitution, and name him Administrator. He said then she and the other leaders could resign and go quietly, leaving him as the new chief.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup refused.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup and Elva Beltz, sister of Carl Griggs, became candidates for chief.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">A letter was sent out to group members saying Elva Beltz would pursue the Green and Alexander Brown settlements if "elected."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Elva Beltz was "elected" chief. Dan Coones was "elected" Deputy Chief.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup did not acknowledge the "election" results.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Beltz/Griggs faction and the Coones/Thompson faction had a falling out.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Beltz was recalled. Coones believed he should be chief.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Baker Northup again refused to relinquish power.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">1991 -</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">February - Elva Beltz usurped Baker Northup as registered agent for Tsa-la-gi Wa-sha-she.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">May - Baker Northup regained her position as registered agent for Tsa-la-gi Wa-sha-she.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">June - The Beltz/Griggs faction started calling themselves the <a href="http://www.northerncherokeenation.com/" target="_blank">Northern Cherokee Nation</a> and registered with the state of Missouri as a non-profit. Their registered agent was Elva Beltz.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">October - The Coones/Thompson faction started calling themselves the Sac River and White River Bands of Chickamauga Cherokee Indian Nation of Arkansas and Missouri and registered with the state of Missouri as a non-profit. Their registered agent was Florence Hill. (They are now known as the <a href="https://www.sacandwhiteriverbands.com/timeline" target="_blank">Sac River/White River Bands of the Chickamauga Cherokee Nation, Inc.</a>)</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">As stated above, the history is complicated, but basically that is how one "tribe" claiming descent from Gardner Green on the 1835 Cherokee Nation census multiplied into three "tribes" claiming descent from him. Until 1991, they shared a history and everything happened under the name of the original group that is now known as the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Please remember, <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/young-wolf-son-of-mouse.html" target="_blank">the heirs of the Gardner Green on the 1835 are known</a> and NONE of these people actually descend from him.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">This story is far from over, so please continue to follow the story of <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/young-wolf-son-of-mouse.html" target="_blank">Young Wolf, son of Mouse</a>; his legacy; and why it all matters.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">In the last post, <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/false-heirs-gardner-green-estate.html" target="_blank">False Heirs: The Gardner Green Estate</a>, the claim to a fortune made by the Green family of Boone County, Missouri was discussed. This Green family claimed they were the descendants of a Cherokee man named Gardner Green and that the United States was holding a fortune of his to be paid out to them if they could prove their claim. Instead of probating the claim, as anyone who was claiming heirship to a fortune would, the Green family filed Eastern Cherokee applications, the applications required for those who made claim to a share of the money the U.S. Court of Claims awarded the Cherokees (or their heirs) who remained in the eastern homelands until after the Treaty of New Echota. Those Cherokees were considered parties to that treaty and therefore entitled to a share of the funds. No single Cherokee was entitled to all the money and no single Cherokee family was entitled to it all despite the story repeatedly told by the Green family.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">The Green family filed 241 Eastern Cherokee applications for 552 claims (children were paid a share if approved but were listed on their parents' applications.) ALL were rejected.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">The Eastern Cherokee applications filed that claimed descent from "Gardner Green" are below. The two final claimants appear to have no connection to the Green family from Missouri. That indicates people were finding a name on the 1835 Cherokee Roll and claiming on it whether they were truly related to that person or not. After all, if the claims on Gardner Green were authentic claims, the family lineages should have matched. They didn't.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">Remember, ALL the applications filed by the Green family were rejected. Guion Miller, the commissioner appointed by the United States to oversee the roll and payments, wrote an extensive report on why the applications were rejected. First, the testimony given by numerous claimants conflicted with testimony given by other claimants. Second, the Greens claimed Gardner Green, their ancestor, was very old. He would have had great grandchildren born before the Treaty of New Echota and none of his purported children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren had ever lived in the Cherokee domain. Third, Guion Miller did not believe the Gardner Green claimed by the Green family was the same Gardner Green found on the 1835 based on the family description, though he admitted it was only supposition that he believed the male listed as under 18 was the child of Gardner Green.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">Though Guion Miller had limited resources at the time he made his decision on the family's claim, today we have numerous documents available and can confirm <b>this family was correctly rejected</b>. The man listed as <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/young-wolf-son-of-mouse.html" target="_blank">Gardner Green on the 1835</a> was Young Wolf, son of Mouse. <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/identity-fraud-ghosting-gardner-green.html" target="_blank">He could not have been the progenitor of the Green family</a> from Boone County, Missouri.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">After multiple rejections, by both the Cherokee Nation officials and the agents of the U.S. government, the false claim by the Green family should have come to an end. Unfortunately, it didn't.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">Today, approximately 110 years after being rejected by Guion Miller, the Green family descendants still claim to be Cherokee. They, along with others, created a fraudulent tribe that has splintered into additional fraudulent tribes. While the idea of fake tribes may sound funny, it isn't. Recently, one of the Green family "tribes" has caused a tremendous amount of harm. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">They have threatened to destroy <a href="https://house.mo.gov/MemberDetails.aspx?year=2018&district=124" target="_blank">Rocky Miller</a>, a Missouri state legislator and citizen of the Cherokee Nation, for sponsoring a law to protect the consumers of Missouri from being tricked into purchasing fake Indian art. They have launched <a href="http://www.northerncherokeenation.com/" target="_blank">an online smear campaign</a> against the Missouri Archaeological Society, Inc. for cancelling the speaking engagement of one of their members when the Society learned that person was not legitimately Cherokee. They have used their fake tribal cards to apply for and receive government contracts intended for minorities. Most recently, their group members threatened an Eastern Band Cherokee when he asked to speak at their event to explain that what was being presented as Cherokee culture was, in fact, not authentic Cherokee culture.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">My next few posts will show the emergence of a fake tribe, through documents and other sources, while also sharing the accurate history of this fake tribe, the non-profit group that calls itself the "Northern Cherokee Nation", headquartered in Clinton, Missouri. You don't want to miss this. Please stay tuned for more on this story, the legacy of Young Wolf, and what we can learn from it all.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/identity-fraud-ghosting-gardner-green.html" target="_blank">Part 2 - Identity Fraud: Ghosting Gardner Green</a> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/false-heirs-gardner-green-estate.html" target="_blank">Part 3 - False Heirs: The Gardner Green Estate</a> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Other articles made it abundantly clear, this was the same Green family who had unsuccessfully tried to gain citizenship in the Cherokee Nation in 1896. They were trying to "take possession" of an estate they insisted belonged to their purported ancestor, a Cherokee named Gardner Green.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">We know, for certain, that the Green family were not heirs to the money the U.S. Court of Claims awarded the "Eastern Cherokees" in 1906. That money was owed to the Cherokees for unpaid funds due them from the forced removal. Those funds were to be paid out per capita to Cherokees and/or their descendants who were entitled to them. <i><b> </b></i></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><i><b>To make this point perfectly clear, the money the United States paid was for the entire citizenry of the Cherokee tribe who remained in the eastern homelands until after the Treaty of New Echota.</b></i> </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The term "Eastern Cherokee" did not strictly apply to the modern day Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, though it did include them. "Eastern Cherokee" certainly did not indicate descent from the Cherokee scholar named Gardner Green by the Moravians. Even if it would have, the Green family from Missouri were not his descendants.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">From the <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/young-wolf-son-of-mouse.html" target="_blank">first post</a> in this series, we already know that the Gardner Green listed on the 1835 Census of the Cherokee Nation was actually Young Wolf, son of Mouse. We also know that Young Wolf died in 1837, <b>leaving only two heirs</b>, his wife, Aley, and young son, Ooahhusky. His estate, <b>valued at $383.50</b>, was divided between his two heirs in 1838. The Gardner Green Estate claimed by the Green family of Missouri was fictitious. Therefore they were false heirs.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">From the <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/identity-fraud-ghosting-gardner-green.html" target="_blank">second post</a> in the series, we know that the Green family from Missouri who claimed descent from the Cherokee Gardner Green could not have descended from Young Wolf. Even though they failed in their attempt to gain citizenship in the Cherokee Nation in 1896, eleven years later, the same family again tried to claim Young Wolf as their ancestor in order to try to get money.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The next post will explore the documents filed by the Green family in their attempt to obtain their mythological fortune. Stay tuned for more on Young Wolf, his legacy, and what we can learn from it all.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">According to the Identity Theft Resource Center, <a href="https://www.idtheftcenter.org/todays-grave-robbers-id-theft-criminals/" target="_blank">ghosting</a> is "pretending to be a deceased individual for monetary gain." Fifty-nine years after his death, Young Wolf, also known as Gardiner Green, was figuratively stolen from his grave, propped up in a family tree, and ghosted, but in a different way than we see today. Instead of stealing his identity for themselves, a family stole his identity and exchanged it for the identity of their long dead grandfather in a way that might bring them personal gain.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/11/the-1896-applications.html" target="_blank">1896</a>, a Congressional Act made it possible for people <b>not</b> recognized as citizens of the Cherokee Nation (and the other four "Civilized Tribes") to apply to the Dawes Commission for citizenship in the Nation. </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The
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asking how people could "get on the rolls" and "get Indian land." </span></span>A letter, dated July 8, 1896, with the instructions on how to apply for citizenship was published in newspapers all over the U.S. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">According to Kent Carter's <i>The Dawes Commission and the Allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893 - 1914</i>, applications poured into the Commission and "...there were thousands of people who were very interested in the citizenship process; the July 8 circular produced a tidal wave of paper that overwhelmed the commission's three clerks. Many local lawyers had application blanks printed and charged their clients whatever they could to present them to the commission. In a classic understatement, [one commissioner] reported that the amount of "work has exceeded all expectations" and required "an immense amount of clerical work in correspondence, filing papers, numbering and indexing cases, and putting in form for permanent record and preservation all the proceedings pertaining to each case.""</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In simple terms, there were a lot of people trying to gain citizenship in the Five Civilized Tribes, many more than anyone expected, and it was nearly impossible to process all of the applications by the deadlines set by Congress. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">One of the cases, Squire Green et al, was for the Green family of Missouri with most of the applicants living in Boone County. Their case included no evidence other than notarized statements by family members who swore their ancestor, Gardner Green, was on the 1835 Census of the Cherokee Nation.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">One testimony, the first in the long file, claimed Gardner Green was the son of Benjamin Green and brother of James Green, the ancestor of all the claimants. It is unclear how this witness, TBH Green, is connected to the Green family of Missouri, but he insists they are his relation and that he knew Benjamin Shadrick Green, who was a Cherokee Indian. His testimony has the characteristics of those given by professional witnesses (paid witnesses who testified to whatever one wanted in a citizenship case.)</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">If this testimony were true (it's not), the Greens would not have been eligible because one had to be a <i>direct descendant</i> of a Cherokee.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Every applicant claimed they were "Cherokee Indian by blood deriving the same from" Gardner Green who lived on Rockey Creek, Murray County, in the state of Georgia.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Their family tree from Gardner Green to the five living children of James Green that filed applications in 1896 (there were others living who did not file) would look like this:</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">There was only one Gardner Green listed on the 1835 Census of the Cherokee Nation. That man was Young Wolf, son of Mouse. As explained in <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2018/07/young-wolf-son-of-mouse.html" target="_blank">this post</a>, he was born in 1809 and was, at most, 28 years old when he died in 1837. He only had two heirs when he died, his wife, Aley, and his son, Ooahhusky who was born c. 1831.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In order for the Green family claimants to have been descendants of the "Gardner Green" on the 1835 roll, they would have had to descend through Young Wolf's only child, Ooahhusky. If the claim the Greens made was factual, then Ooahhusky would have been the father of James and the grandfather of Nancy, Squire, Louisa, Eli, and Margret. As you can see by the dates, the claim cannot be true. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Ooahhusky was born two years <b>AFTER</b> Nancy Green, his purported granddaughter, and one year <b>before</b> Squire Green, his purported grandson. He was born 42 years <b>AFTER</b> his purported son, James Green, was born. It is physically impossible for Ooahhusky to have been the father of James or grandfather of Nancy, Squire, Eli, Louisa, and Margret. None of these Green claimants descended from Ooahhusky or Young Wolf, aka Gardiner Green. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">So how did the Green claimants know "Gardner Green" was on the 1835 roll if they did not descend from him? It's simple. They, or someone they knew, looked at the roll and noticed there was a Green on it. There were copies of the 1835 roll available for people to review. Thomas Skaggs, the notary public on nearly all of the 1896 claims the Green family filed, was also a claimant for citizenship in 1896, but through a different Cherokee. In a letter he wrote to Guion Miller years later, Skaggs said he was the one who found out about the "...Gardner Green decendants being entitled."</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Also, on an Eastern Cherokee application filed years later by Green claimant, Martha Rosana Brown, the applicant wrote "gardner greens name is on page 188th of the roll 1835 taken in the state of georgia" in a response to Guion Miller when he needed additional information to process her claim.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">If those pieces of evidence are not enough to convince you they looked at the roll and picked a name, there are also the 1896 claims themselves. Remember in school when kids would get caught copying each other? They never got caught if they got the answers right. It was copying a wrong answer that doomed them. That is what dooms the Green claimants as well.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">There are a couple of things on the 1835 roll concerning Gardiner Green that they did not know. First, his name is spelled incorrectly. The census taker left out the letter "I". After his name change to Gardiner Green, Young Wolf's name was always spelled with an "I" by the Moravians. Not one self proclaimed descendant spelled his name with an "I". Instead they spelled it exactly as it was recorded on the 1835 roll.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The other thing the claimants didn't realize is that Young Wolf lived on ROCK Creek, not Rocky Creek. The only record that lists him as living on Rocky Creek is the 1835 roll. The other records of him made during his lifetime list him as living on ROCK Creek. Again, it appears the self proclaimed descendants copied where he lived as it was recorded on the 1835 roll rather than actually knowing where he lived.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Clearly this Green family claim was not a legitimate claim.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Cherokee Nation attorneys correctly responded to the Green applicants' file with the following:</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Respondent not waiving his aforesaid demurrer, but insisting upon the same for answer to said application, says that Gardner Green through whom the petitioner claims to derive his right to citizenship in the Cherokee Nation, is not now, and has not been a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, since the removal of the said Nation, west to the Indian Territory as at present located and defined; that his name does not appear on any of the authenticated rolls of said Nation; that he nor any of his ancestors now reside, or ever have resided in the Cherokee Nation and Indian Territory, as citizens thereof."</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">One might hope that would have been the end of it and Young Wolf could have been left alone to rest in peace. Sadly that is not the case. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Stay tuned for the next post about Young Wolf, his legacy, and what we can learn from it all.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In April 1820, while on his way back to the Moravian mission school at Springplace after visiting his family, a Cherokee boy and the relative accompanying him were met by a white man in the woods. The man appeared angry and pulled a knife on them. Terrified, the two Cherokees retreated into the woods and found a different route back to the school. The boy was only eleven years old. His name was Young Wolf and he was the son of Mouse from Rock Creek near Rabbit Trap in the Coosawattee district of the old Cherokee Nation in the east.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Young Wolf entered the mission school at Springplace on February 2, 1819 when he was ten years old. The missionaries wrote that despite his name, he had the appearance and behavior of a sheep rather than a wolf. Mouse and his wife visited at the end of the month and expressed gratitude for the love the missionaries showed their son. His parents obviously loved him very much because that was the first of several visits they made to the school over the following years. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">By the end of 1822, Young Wolf had left the school due to lack of clothing. Shortly after his departure, an anonymous donor from Boston contacted the Moravians with an offer of $25 per year (equal to approximately $566 today) for the support and education of an Indian boy with the conditions the boy would be named <b>Gardiner Green</b> and raised for service. The Moravians struggled with the issue of giving a child a new name. Because there were both ethical and financial implications, the decision to accept the donation was not one they took lightly. The donor inquired about his offer at least twice after he made it because the missionaries had not made the decision to accept it yet.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Young Wolf returned to school in December 1823 and was welcomed back with joy by the missionaries. Because his parents were "blood poor" and because he had to completely support himself, early in 1824 the donor's offer was accepted and the financial support was applied to Young Wolf. The missionaries justified their decision to the donor by describing Young Wolf as always being orderly and eager to learn as well as showing love for the Savior. To accommodate the donor's wishes, Young Wolf's name was changed to Gardiner Green.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The affection between Green and the missionaries was strong as shown in March 1824 when Green gave them a new water pail he had made completely by himself. In return, they gave him a calf whose mother had died of horn disease shortly after its birth. The Moravians also appeared to believe Green was dependable and could be trusted with important tasks. It was not uncommon for them to send him to deliver letters or messages on their behalf. In June, 1824, Green helped disseminate the cowpox vaccine near his home with the hope it would stop the smallpox epidemic that was raging in the Cherokee Nation at that time.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In the spring and fall each year, the older boys at the Springplace Mission often returned home to help their families during the times of planting and harvesting. Green was no exception and in the spring of 1825, he was home for nearly a month. During that time at home, three of his toes had nearly been chopped off.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">While it is unknown how much of Green's education and upbringing at the mission school caused him to have internal conflict between his formal education and his traditional ways, as he got older, communications from the Moravians revealed there were some difficulties. From a letter dated July 8, 1825, "Gardiner Green is still here, but we do not know for how long, since he is already 16 years old and can soon be a help to his parents. He is a very orderly boy and also has learned to read and write very nicely, but <b>we cannot get him to speak English</b>." [Emphasis mine.]</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">As Cherokee boys grew older, it was expected that they would begin to participate in ball games with the men. This tradition likely caused additional conflict for Green. The missionaries did not approve of the Cherokee ballplay, viewing it as "an unholy thing." Traditional Cherokees viewed ballplay, the Little Brother of War, as necessary, a rite of passage so to speak, and a way for a boy to learn the art of war, thus becoming a man.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Twice the Moravians made reference to Green's participation in ball games:</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Today we heard that our scholar Gardiner Green, who was taken home for a visit some weeks ago, was forced by his father to participate in a ballplay where he was hit with the ball stick by an Indian and trampled so that from noon until sundown he just lay there completely lifeless. But, he finally came to himself again and was taken home on a horse by his father." (August 1825)</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Our scholar Gardiner Green allowed himself to be talked into going to another ballplay, where he twisted his leg." (September 27, 1825)</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Despite having a benefactor and changing his name to satisfy that benefactor, Green continued to struggle to meet his basic needs at school. In a letter dated January 18, 1826, it was noted that the students had not been receiving clothing from the friends of the scholars. Green owed for 3 frocks, 3 pairs of overalls, and 3 shirts. He eventually left school for the final time later that summer on August 14, 1826 when he was about 17 years old.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Green returned to Rock Creek after he left school and eventually married Aley, a full blood Cherokee. They welcomed a son, Ooahhusky, about 1831. The family was listed on the <b>1835 Henderson Roll</b> as living near his father "Rat" (Mouse and Rat are the same in Cherokee) on "<b>Rocky Creek</b>" in an area that later become Murray County, Georgia. The household of "<b>Gardner Green</b>" included one male under 18 (Ooahhusky), one male over 18 (Gardiner), and one female over 16 (Aley.) All three were listed as full bloods. They had one farm with ten acres in cultivation. One person in the household was a reader of English. Two were readers of Cherokee.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In the spring of 1835, Green was dispossessed of four acres of land by a United States citizen. The compensation for "rent" on those four acres was included in his valuation of property recorded when the U.S. government was preparing to remove the Cherokees from their homeland.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Unfortunately, when the Cherokees were removed to the west, Green did not make the trip with his family. According to testimony given by Ellis Harlin in 1838, Green died in the fall of 1837 leaving a wife and child, Aley and Ooahhusky, as "...his <b>only heirs</b>." [Emphasis mine.]</span></span><br />
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<li>The Moravian Springplace Mission to the Cherokees, Vol. I & II, Edited/Introduction by Rowena McClinton</li>
<li>Records of the Moravians Among the Cherokees, Vol. 5-7, Edited by C. Daniel Crews & Richard W. Starbuck</li>
<li>Record Group 75: Records of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, 1793 - 1999</li>
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-83693299428979719872018-03-16T14:46:00.000-05:002018-03-16T14:46:07.106-05:00Elizabeth Warren's "white" Great Grandfather Shot an Indian<i>*This is a repost <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/10/bam-last-nail-in-coffin-on-that-old.html" target="_blank">from 2012</a>. Warren's great grandfather was specifically listed as a white man when he shot a Creek Indian in 1906.*</i><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Elizabeth
Warren is the granddaughter of Hannie Crawford, daughter of John H.
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">According to the <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/senate/2012/09/15/elizabeth-warren-family-has-mixed-memories-about-heritage/cPMflfaOlndM1jFbimJ4tM/story-2.html" target="_blank">Boston Globe</a>, </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Rosco Crawford, Hannie Crawford’s brother, told (his granddaughter) that as a young boy living in the Creek Nation of Indian
Territory, the Indians were “pretty mean.” Once, when a Creek was
hitting Crawford’s younger brother, their father shot and wounded the
Indian, according to her biography, on file at California State
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The story Hannie's brother, Rosco, told his granddaughter is true. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Why is this significant? Because it refers to John H. Crawford, Elizabeth Warren's great grandfather who was allegedly Cherokee, as <b>a white man</b>.</span></span><br />
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-36243508328833516812018-03-12T23:45:00.000-05:002018-12-13T12:19:32.626-06:00Elizabeth Warren doesn't need to take a DNA test. Here's why...<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">I can't believe I'm going to open this can of worms, but someone needs to do so after the repeated cries for Elizabeth Warren, US Senator from Massachusetts, to take a DNA test to prove or disprove her claim of Native American ancestry.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Before we pry this can open, first and foremost, I'm a citizen of the Cherokee Nation and I will always defend tribal sovereignty. My concern over Warren's claim that she is a non-enrolled Native American is best explained <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/10/why-elizabeth-warren-issue-is-not-about.html" target="_blank">with the words of anthropologist Michael Lambert</a>, a citizen of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. He described Cherokee identity politics as a "battle over sovereignty":</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"One of the terrains on which this is being fought is that of how we define "Indian." The current effort to define Indian as a racial/cultural group is an effort to extinguish Indian sovereignty. The only way for Indian nations to defend and expand their sovereignty is to make exclusive claim to defining who is Indian and what it means to be Indian...</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">What does this have to do with non-enrolled Cherokees identifying as such? I see the basis of claims to Indian identity to be political acts. This is, and has been, a battle over sovereignty. One who bases their claim to Indian identity on any basis other than sovereignty is not taking a pro-Indian position."</span></span></blockquote>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">To be very clear, despite everything Warren said and <a href="https://elizabethwarren.com/blog/my-speech-to-the-national-congress-of-american-indians" target="_blank">promised in her speech</a> to the National Congress of American Indians and despite all her new efforts to support Indian country through legislation, she is not taking a pro-Indian position because she continues to claim she's Native American while admitting she is not enrolled. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those who continue to insist Warren take a DNA test to "settle the issue" are not taking a pro-Indian position either. <a href="https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/no-elizabeth-warren-cannot-prove-shes-native-american-merely-by-taking-a-dna-test/" target="_blank">DNA doesn't define who is or is not an Indian</a>. Only tribes can do that. To say anything else, including DNA, determines who is or is not Indian is a political attack on tribal sovereignty. The three Cherokee Indian nations who have government to government relationships with the United States have said Warren is not Cherokee. That should have been the end of it. Unfortunately it wasn't.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html" target="_blank">genealogy of Warren</a> has been done and shows no indication of Cherokee, Delaware, or any other Indian nation ancestry. The genealogy along with the fact no legitimate Indian nation claims her should have been the end of it. Unfortunately it wasn't.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Now we have no choice but to address the areas of family lore and DNA. This is where it gets ugly and I'm not happy that I feel I need to write about it. I will not get into a discussion of DNA as a whole. Warren's family lore is very specific and her claim hinges on one person as a racially 'full blooded Cherokee.' That person and their origins will be the sole focus of my discussion of DNA.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">I'm a genealogist who adheres to the Standards for Sound Genealogical Practices adopted by the Board for the Certification of Professional Genealogists. The research our team did documents Warren's lineage back to Preston Crawford, a white man who was born in Tennessee and died in Missouri. At this time, no credible documentation has been found that conclusively lists the names of the parents of Preston Crawford. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Sadly, Warren doesn't care about documentation or facts. She's based her entire claim to being Cherokee or Native American on a family story that says Preston Crawford's parents were Jonathon Crawford and "Sarah" Neoma (Oma) Smith. This same story continues by <a href="http://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I20964&tree=tree1" target="_blank">declaring Neoma Smith as the daughter of Wyatt Smith and sister of William Bracken Smith. </a></span></span><br />
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<i><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Because this purported lineage is strictly based on a family story found in a newsletter written by an <a href="https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lyndasmith395&id=I1977" target="_blank">amateur genealogist</a>, I want to make it clear that we are discussing lore, not a lineage supported by documentation. Normally I'd ignore the lore but because Warren is dead set on continuing this claim, further examination of this family story is necessary.</span></span></i><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">According to the lore, Neoma Smith was a (racially) full blood Cherokee Indian. Warren and her supporters appear to believe this (racially) full blood ancestor allows Warren to claim Native American heritage and that it gave her the right to claim minority status as a Harvard Law professor.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Let's give Warren and her supporters the benefit of the doubt on this lineage. Let's allow them to continue to claim Warren's documented ancestor, Preston Crawford, was the son of a Jonathon Crawford and <a href="https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lyndasmith395&id=I1499" target="_blank">Neoma Smith, the daughter of Wyatt Smith</a>.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's drop the demand for Warren to take a DNA test. I explained above why I don't support it, but there's another reason the demand should be dropped. We don't need it to learn about Warren's alleged Cherokee ancestor.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="http://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/showbranch.php?br=GRP-R-M269-1-2" target="_blank">The Y-DNA from Wyatt Smith's male descendants has already been tested</a> by at least one of Warren's purported Smith male cousins, a descendant of William Bracken Smith.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lyndasmith395&id=I302" target="_blank">William Bracken Smith was the son of Wyatt Smith</a> and alleged brother of Neoma Smith Crawford. The Y-DNA test traces the direct descent of males only--son to father to father's father to father's father's father and so on. Apparently Y-DNA changes slowly over time so the same DNA is passed from one male to the next with few mutations (differences) occurring.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The only people that can produce a "racially" full blood Indian child are two other "racially" full blood Indians. If Neoma were "racially" a full blood Indian as the family lore says, then Wyatt Smith would have had to be a "racially" full blood Indian as well. He wasn't. The results of the Y-DNA test taken by Smith's descendant indicated Wyatt Smith's haplogroup was R-M269, <a href="https://isogg.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)" target="_blank">the dominant branch of R1b in Western Europe.</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">I'm no DNA expert but it defies logic to believe a man with origins in Western Europe fathered a "racially" full blood Indian daughter. The Y-DNA of Wyatt Smith, Warren's purported ancestor, combined with the facts no legitimate Indian nation claims Warren and that her genealogy indicates no Indian ancestry should be the end of it. I fear it won't be.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">So America, there you have it--a DNA test that gives information on the origins of one of Warren's purported "full blood" Cherokee ancestors. Take the information and do with it what you will. As I said above, it's a can of worms I'd rather have left sealed, but enough is enough. If Warren wants to continue with this family story that her alleged Smith ancestors were Cherokee, then she must take everything that goes along with it, including the DNA results. Wyatt Smith's paternal origins are from Western Europe. He was not a "racially" full blood Indian. Therefore he could not have fathered a "racially" full blood Indian child.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In closing, I'd like to reiterate that DNA does not, in any way, determine who is or is not considered Native American. There is no DNA test that can determine that. Indian nations determine citizenship just like the United States determines who is American. Americans would never dream of requesting someone get a DNA test to prove they are American. Instead, they might ask to see one's proof or documentation of citizenship in the United States. We in Indian Country understand that. We wish Americans could give our Indian nations the same respect. We are not a race of people that can simply take a DNA test and show we are citizens of one of the various tribes throughout the US. We are citizens of nations and the way we prove it is the exact same way Americans prove they are citizens of the U.S. We provide documentation.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Thanks for reading.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">For more information on why calls for a DNA test to prove/disprove one is Native American are dangerous to tribal sovereignty, please read the book, "Native American DNA: Tribal Belonging and the False Promise of Genetic Science" by Dr. Kim Tallbear.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Lambert quote is from "Becoming Indian: The Struggle over Cherokee Identity in the Twenty-first Century" by Circe Sturm.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">"Thorough research, I would argue, is not just "looking everywhere." It's not "a search in all logical places" for the one document that answers a specific question. That's just a search. But a search is only one step in the research process. It's not even the first step. And no conclusion should ever be based on one document." <a href="https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/reasonably-exhaustive-research-0" target="_blank">(Elizabeth Shown Mills)</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">That's worth repeating. <i>Thorough research is not a search for the one document that answers a specific question and no conclusion should ever be based on only one document</i>. Understanding this, every effort has been made to thoroughly research the lives of Rider Fields and Katie Vann. Not only were the documents and records made during their lifetimes reviewed, but also some that were created after they both died.</span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Ben Vann was not the only living child of Katie Vann at the time of allotment. Martha Johnson and Chick Vann, sisters of Ben, both applied and were enrolled by the Dawes Commission. One would expect the information they gave on their mother to match the information Ben provided about her. It didn't.</span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Martha Johnson, Ben's sister, <i>listed George Fields</i>, not Rider Fields, as the owner of her mother. Was this George Fields the father of Rider? It's possible, but there were several Cherokee men named George Fields so we don't know. What we do know is Martha indicated her mother was a slave and that she was owned by <i>someone other than Rider Fields.</i></span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Oklahoma and Indian Territory, Dawes Census Card for Five Civilized Tribes, Martha Johnson, F341. Ancestry.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Chick Vann, another sister of Ben Vann, said <i>Katie Vann</i> (daughter of Ave Vann and Cherokee by blood) was the owner of her mother, Katie Vann, a slave. The siblings agree that Ave Vann or his daughter Katie was the owner of their father but the name of their mother's owner is still in question. While neither of Ben's sisters gave information that would support the answers of each other, neither offered information that supported the answer Ben gave either.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Results from the exhaustive search indicated Catherine Fields, daughter of Rider Fields, was listed by name in only one record during her lifetime. Despite this, we do have additional information on her. She is mentioned in at least three Eastern Cherokee applications filed by the grandchildren of Rider Fields. Randolph Ballard, Susie Mayes, and Elizabeth Montgall included Catherine Fields as a sibling to their parent and said <b><i>she died without descent.</i></b></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">These grandchildren descended from two different daughters of Rider Fields and grew up in different nations; one in the Creek Nation, the others in the Cherokee Nation, yet the information they individually provided on Catherine Fields is corroborated by the others. <i><b>Catherine Fields never had children.</b></i> This makes it clear that Catherine Fields, daughter of Rider Fields, was not the same person as Katie Vann, the slave and mother of Ben Vann. <i>Rider Fields has no descendants through his daughter Catherine.</i></span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Rider Fields did own slaves. One was named Andy Fields. The Dawes Census cards for Andy's sons reveal something interesting.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;"></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Andy Fields, former slave of Rider Fields, was considered a CREEK Freedmen. Though Rider Fields was a "Cherokee by blood", he surrendered his Cherokee Nation citizenship when he moved to the Creek Nation. Any slave of his would have been considered a Creek Freedmen. Katie Vann was a Cherokee Freedmen. She would not have had rights to Cherokee citizenship if she'd have been Rider's slave. He didn't return to the Cherokee Nation until two years after the Cherokee slaves had been set free.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">None of the evidence uncovered at this point in time substantiates Ben Vann's testimony given in his Eastern Cherokee application. In fact, the evidence uncovered at this point in time contradicts Ben's testimony.</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Ben Vann was a slave, as indicated on his Dawes Census Card and other Cherokee Nation rolls where he is listed as "adopted colored."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Katie Vann, mother of Ben Vann, was a slave, as indicated by three of her children on their Dawes Census Cards and other Cherokee Nation rolls where she was listed as a "Freed Person" or "adopted colored."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Richard Fields was <i>the brother</i> of Rider Fields, not the father. Therefore, even if Rider was the father of Katie Vann, Richard would not be Ben Vann's great grandfather.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Katie Vann, mother of Ben Vann, might not have had any siblings, but Catherine, daughter of Rider Fields, had at least 6 sisters and that fact is well documented.</span></span></li>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">As genealogists, we must weigh each source for its quality, credibility, and strength against other sources, information, and evidence. How much weight should we give to the testimony Ben Vann gave in his Eastern Cherokee application? That testimony by its very nature is not unbiased. Ben was a claimant and had something to gain. Having something to gain does not automatically make him dishonest, but it does mean we must use the information provided in context with why that information was given. <b><i>It was given in an attempt to get money.</i></b> Ben's testimony was only a claim. It is not evidence proving a claim. In order to conclude that Rider Fields was the father of Katie Vann, evidence to support that claim independent of Ben Vann's testimony is needed. There is none.</span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">After reviewing hundreds of records that provided direct, indirect, and negative evidence, it appears <i>the only conflicting information</i> uncovered during the exhaustive research is the testimony of Ben Vann. Let me repeat that. The only conflicting evidence to hundreds of other documents and sources <i>is the testimony of Ben Vann</i>. The only reason anyone claims Rider Fields was the father of Katie Vann is because Ben Vann said it. Had he not made the claim, no one would have anything else upon which to base their belief and this story would likely not be prevalent today. Someone found <b>one document</b> that supported what they wanted to believe and that was the end of their "research."</span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">To quote the premier genealogist of our time, <a href="https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-7-family-lore-and-indian-princesses" target="_blank">Elizabeth Shown Mills</a>, "Finding random documents to support what we want to believe is not research. It's self-delusion. Family tales, beloved or otherwise, carry no credibility unless they meet common standards for family history research..."</span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">If Katie Vann's descendants want to make the claim that they descend from Rider Fields, then they are responsible for providing proof of that claim. <i>This family tale only carries credibility if it meets the common standards for family history research.</i> At this point, it does not. There is no credible evidence to support the claim that Katie Vann, Cherokee Freedmen, was the slave or daughter of Rider Fields, Cherokee by blood.</span></span><br />
<br /><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Georgia,"Times New Roman",serif;">Thanks for reading.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">A group of historical documents form a body of evidence which allows us to draw conclusions about events and relationships in a person's life, even when those things are not directly recorded in any document. The following includes direct, indirect, and negative evidence that allows us to put together a narrative of the lives of Rider Fields and Katie Vann.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1824, Rider Fields filed a claim against the U.S. for property lost four years earlier. Because he was old enough to own property in 1820, yet too young to fight in the Creek War of 1813-14, he was likely born about 1800. This estimation is supported by the fact his daughter, Susan, gave birth to his grandchild, Jane, about 1839.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Based on the ages listed for Katie Vann in various U.S. and Cherokee records, she was born circa 1833. According to Ben Vann, Katie's oldest child was born in 1847. Katie Vann would have only been fourteen years old when she gave birth to that child if the estimation of her age is correct. Based on the projected age at the time of that child's birth, we can presume Katie might have been born earlier than 1833 but it is unlikely that she was born after that year.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The first time Rider Fields was found on a record that included information about his family was in 1835 on the Cherokee Nation census. He was living in Jackson County, Alabama (the old Cherokee Nation) and had 8 in his family, all quarter-bloods, with a breakdown of one male over 18, one female over 16, and 6 females under 16. <i><span style="color: red;">There were no mixed Negroes</span> (an actual question on the census) <span style="color: red;">and Rider Fields had no slaves.</span> </i>If Katie Vann, the mother of Ben Vann, was the daughter of Rider Fields, she should have been found in his household on this census since she was a child at this time. She wasn't.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1837, Rider Fields received payments for subsistence and transportation for voluntary removal to Indian Territory. He collected money for seven people; his family included six Indians plus he had one slave with him. We cannot determine if Rider owned this slave. We cannot determine if the slave was male or female. All we know is Rider had a slave with him when he removed to Indian Territory. He received a small payment for the use of a wagon, team, and teamster (someone to drive the wagon) during the voluntary removal. Perhaps that is why he had a slave with him. All we know for certain is Rider Fields had a slave with him in 1837 that was not with him in 1835 nor with him in 1839 when he again received subsistence and transportation money, but only collected for five people, no slaves.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1847, the year Katie Vann gave birth to her first child, Rider Fields was living in the Cherokee Nation and filed a claim for improvements and spoliation. Two years later, Katie Vann gave birth to her second child (listed in the records by the names Julia, Juna, and Chick.) That same year, the Cherokee Advocate twice published information about Rider Fields. In July, there was a cholera outbreak near Rider's home on the Verdigris and in September, he was the administrator of the estate of his father, George Fields.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;">When the Drennen Roll was made in 1851-52, Katie Vann had already given birth to her third child. Rider Fields was enrolled by Drennen and living in Saline District with his daughters, Ellen, Rachel, and Catherine. If Katie Vann, the mother of Ben Vann, was the same person as Catherine Fields and she was living in Rider's household when the Drennen Roll was prepared, her children should have been listed too. They weren't. <span style="color: red;"><i>This is strong evidence indicating that Catherine Fields and Katie Vann are not the same person.</i></span> Katie Vann was not listed on the Drennen Roll in her own household either, suggesting she was not considered a citizen of the Cherokee Nation at that time.</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">By January 7, 1852, Rider Fields was living in the Creek Nation. His daughter, Susan, died about 1850 leaving minor children. Based on later records, it is possible Rider moved to the Creek Nation to take care of her children. Despite Rider's move to another nation, Katie Vann remained in the Cherokee Nation. <i>If she would have been the slave of Rider Fields, one would assume he would have taken her with him to the Creek Nation.</i> He didn't.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Katie Vann had two children born in the Cherokee Nation between 1852 and 1857. One of those children was Ben Vann. Rider Fields was still in the Creek Nation after the birth of those two children. He was listed on the 1857-59 Creek Roll with Billy, Peggy, and Bluford (his grandson) in his household.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Katie Vann gave birth to her sixth child in the Cherokee Nation in 1859. The next year, Rider Fields was listed on the U.S. Slave Schedule, still living in the Creek Nation, and as the owner of two slaves. Both slaves were male, aged 45 and 5 years old. <i>Clearly Katie Vann was not his slave at this time.</i></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Katie Vann had another child, Ruthie, about 1861. Two years later, in 1863, the Cherokee Nation freed their slaves. At this time, Rider Fields was still a citizen of the Creek Nation. He did not become a citizen of the Cherokee Nation again until 1865 when he and his family were readmitted by an Act of the Tribal Council. That year, Katie Vann and her family were found on the Kansas State census and living there.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1867, while Rider was found on the Tompkins Roll as a "Half breed" Cherokee and living in the Illinois District, Katie Vann and her family were found listed as Freed People, "Colored", and living in Saline District. After this, Rider disappears from records so it is presumed he died between 1867 and 1880.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Oklahoma and Indian Territory, Indian Censuses and Rolls, 1851-1959. Tompkins Roll. Ancestry.com.</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1880, Katie Vann was listed on the Census of the Cherokee Nation as <i>adopted colored</i>. Her household included William, Rachel, and Jane.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Oklahoma and Indian Territory, Indian Censuses and Rolls, 1851-1959. 1880 Cherokee Nation Census. Ancestry.com.</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Katie Vann was listed on the Wallace Roll for the Authenticated Cherokee Freedmen (1888-89) living in Cooweescoowee District. <i>This roll was only for Freedmen.</i> Native Cherokees were not listed on it.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1891, Katie Vann died, according to her son, Ben Vann.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In documents, we never see the lives of Rider Fields and Katie Vann intersect. They are never found on any record or in any source together. In fact, while Katie was still a slave and having babies in the Cherokee Nation, Rider Fields was living in the Creek Nation. For thirteen years, from 1852 to 1865, Rider Fields and Katie Vann were not living in the same nation. When Rider Fields is found in the Creek Nation, Katie Vann is found in the Cherokee Nation. When Rider returned to the Cherokee Nation, Katie was found in the United States living in Kansas.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Documents show that Rider Fields had no "mixed blood Negroes" in his household in 1835 nor any slaves. When Rider's daughter, Catherine, was living with him in 1851-52, Katie Vann was married and having babies. When Rider was living in the Creek Nation, Katie Vann, still a slave of someone, was living in the Cherokee Nation. Every document found on Katie Vann indicates she was black, "colored", or a "Freed person." At this point, only Ben Vann's testimony suggests she had Indian blood.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Stay tuned for more conflicting evidence and a conclusion to this genealogical mystery concerning this widely accepted Cherokee lineage. Rider Fields and The Freedmen - Part 3, The Conclusion coming soon.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In October 1907, a Freedman (former slave) named Benjamin (aka Ben) Vann filed an Eastern Cherokee application for a share of the money owed the Cherokees for their land in the southeastern United States. He claimed he had Indian blood through his mother. Today, his claim is used as genealogical evidence by numerous Freedmen descendants to support the claim that they descend from a by blood Cherokee and therefore they have Indian blood.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The claim that Rider Fields was the progenitor of a line of Freemen descendants is so widely accepted, it has been repeated in <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2005/aug/30/science/sci-indiandna30/3" target="_blank">articles</a>, <a href="http://nativeopinion.com/guests/2017/6/21/guest-marilyn-vann" target="_blank">podcasts</a>, and <a href="http://www.whoisnickasmith.com/genealogy/rider-fields-is-my-4x-great-grandfather/" target="_blank">blog posts</a>. The story alleges that Rider Fields' daughter, Catherine, was 1/2 black, the ancestor of several Freedmen including Ben Vann, and that she was also known as "Katie Vann." Is this story true? Being believed by a great number of people does not make a story true. In order to be accepted as true, it must be supported by historical documents. Does the historical documentation on the people mentioned above support the testimony Ben Vann gave in his Eastern Cherokee application?</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In this application, Ben said he was born November 23, 1857 in Saline District, Indian Territory, the son of Jesse and Katie Vann. He stated his maternal grandparents were Rider (Cherokee by blood) and Tina Fields.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Eastern Cherokee Applications, Benjamin Vann, 44082, p.5, fold3.com.</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Nearly a year later, in September 1908, Ben Vann gave sworn testimony for his claim. Statements from his testimony include:</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"<span style="color: red;">I was not a slave.</span> I enrolled as a freedman from choice. I said I would go the way the rest went. <span style="color: red;">My mother was not a slave. She was part colored and Indian.</span>"</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"My mother was Katie Fields and Katie Vann...<span style="color: red;">She got her blood from her father, Rider Fields.</span> He lived in Saline District, Locust Grove."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Richard Fields was my (gt) grandfather."</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"My mother never had any brothers or sisters to my knowledge."</span></span></li>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Eastern Cherokee Applications, Benjamin Vann, 44082, p.8, fold3.com.</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">This contradicts what Ben said in 1901 when he applied to the Dawes Commission for inclusion on the Freedmen section of the Dawes Roll:</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="color: red;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Q. You were a slave? A. Yes sir.</span></span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Q. Who was your owner? A. My father belonged to the Vanns.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Q. What was your father's name? A. Jess Vann</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Q. Your mother's name? A. Katie</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Q. <span style="color: red;">They were both Cherokee Freedmen? A. Yes sir</span></span></span></li>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Applications for Enrollment of the Commission to the Five Civilized
Tribes, 1898-1914, Ben Vann, Cherokee Freedmen, F737, p.3, fold3.com.</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Ben Vann's Dawes Census Card listed Ave Vann as the owner of both him and his father. It listed Rider Fields as the owner of his mother. When asked if his parents were both Cherokee Freedmen, he said yes. He did not say his mother was 1/2 Indian or the child of an Indian.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Native American Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914, Ben Vann, Cherokee Freedmen, F737, p.1, Ancestry.com</td></tr>
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5EkmCbxqLQE/Wgc6C_SNDLI/AAAAAAAAF0w/fdm-EThn1jUpxvtg_rLuAFC0Ye7mT1k_gCEwYBhgL/s1600/Ben%2BVann%2BDawes%2BCard%2Bback%2Blined.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="468" data-original-width="889" height="210" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5EkmCbxqLQE/Wgc6C_SNDLI/AAAAAAAAF0w/fdm-EThn1jUpxvtg_rLuAFC0Ye7mT1k_gCEwYBhgL/s400/Ben%2BVann%2BDawes%2BCard%2Bback%2Blined.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Native American Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914, Ben Vann, Cherokee Freedmen, F737, p.2, Ancestry.com</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Because Ben Vann's answers to key questions were inconsistent, there is a crucial need for additional research. Ben gave entirely different answers on two similar questions. At one time he said he and his mother were slaves. At another time, he said they were not slaves. One time he said Rider Fields was his mother's owner. Another time he said Rider Fields was his mother's father. Are any of those statements true? If so, which ones?</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">After exhaustive research, Ben Vann's testimony in his Eastern Cherokee application is the <i>only</i> source found that supports the notion that Rider Fields was the father of Katie Vann. Over twenty independent sources with information on Rider Fields and several other sources with information on Katie Vann and her children were found. Combining the information from those records along with key historical events, a timeline of over 35 entries was produced to evaluate the available evidence.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">As genealogists, we do not look to prove or disprove something. We look at the available information and then form a conclusion. We must evaluate evidence without personal bias. We cannot decide to only use a source that supports what we want to believe while ignoring all other sources. We must look at the group of sources as a body of evidence and draw a conclusion from the whole, carefully weighing each source and piece of information against the others while evaluating each source for quality, credibility, and value. We must also resolve any conflicting evidence.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Alone, the testimony given by Ben Vann in his Eastern Cherokee application supports the idea that his mother, Katie Vann, was the daughter of Rider Fields. When, instead, added to a body of evidence, evaluated for its veracity against all other sources, and after resolving the conflicting evidence, Ben Vann's story crumbles.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Stay tuned for more on this widely accepted Cherokee lineage and why we must resolve any conflicting evidence before we can come to a conclusion about any genealogical mystery. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Rider Fields and the Freedmen - Part 2, The Evidence and the Evaluation coming soon. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
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What if some of the stories we've been told about
our ancestors are not true? What if the stories we've loved and
cherished and clung to are not based in fact? It's time we revisit some of the things we've been taught, told, or forced to believe. I've not
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I'll examine two commonly accepted Cherokee genealogies and explain why it is important that we do an exhaustive search and resolve any conflicting evidence before we draw a conclusion about a lineage.<br />
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This series will be of interest to many Cherokees, so please check back soon for an interesting and likely controversial group of posts. <br />
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Those are my thoughts for today.<br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">It is my honor to endorse Shane Jett for Cherokee Tribal Council - At Large. I believe he has the knowledge, experience, and passion to serve and represent the At Large population as well as benefit the Cherokee Nation as a whole.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">With the election of the new US President, everyone in Indian Country is unsure of our future. Because of that, I believe it is in our best interest, as a tribe, to become as financially independent as possible. Shane Jett brings a wealth of business experience and knowledge to the table which will help the Cherokee Nation both now and in the years to come.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The At Large Cherokee population is diverse, large, and located throughout the United States. We need a council person who not only understands the diversity of our population, but who also has the energy to reach out and listen to all of the Cherokee Nation citizens he or she represents. I believe Shane Jett has the desire and energy to do that. I have communicated with him many times during the last two years and he's always been prompt in responding to my messages and he has worked tirelessly to help me when I needed it.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Many in the At Large population feel a huge divide between ourselves and those Cherokees who live "at home" in the fourteen county jurisdictional area. Shane Jett has expressed the intent to build a figurative bridge between the two populations of Cherokees in an effort to establish a truly unified Cherokee Nation. As a strong proponent of healing the divisions that exist in our Nation, I believe this is one of the most important things an At Large council person can work toward for us. Shane Jett wants each At Large Cherokee, no matter what they look like, what their blood quantum is, or where they live to know <i><b>they belong</b></i>. That shows he understands us and that understanding matters when selecting who will represent us. We need a representative who understands us.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">I hope you will join me in supporting Shane Jett for Tribal Council - At Large. Though we have some very good candidates to choose from, in my humble opinion, Shane Jett is clearly the one we need to take our voice to the council table in 2017.</span></span><br />
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-88955261686100302292017-04-12T13:15:00.000-05:002017-04-12T13:15:12.826-05:00Cherokee Nation At Large Candidate Town Hall hosted by COCA - April 11, 2017<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">For those of you who were unable to watch the Cherokee Nation At Large Candidate Town Hall hosted by the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/COCACherokees/" target="_blank">Central Oklahoma Cherokee Alliance</a> last night, you can watch it in the video below or at the link that follows it.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Central Oklahoma Cherokee Alliance did an excellent job hosting the forum for our At Large candidates and the candidates who participated did a great job of letting us know where they stand on various issues as well as allowing us to get to know them. This is a must see for all At Large voters.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Le<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">ft to right</span></span>, the candidates are: Rocky Miller, Linda Leaf-Bolin, Jay Neugin, Mary Baker Shaw, and Shane Jett. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-82978946942638867372017-02-26T14:01:00.000-06:002017-02-26T17:47:29.817-06:00The Cherokee Nation Constitution, Election Law, and Who Can Run for Tribal Council<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1869, <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=dvg9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA345&lpg=PA345&dq=June+the+9th,+1869+approved+by+the+president&source=bl&ots=-jANFqWccN&sig=5_fqFntUXvCagHfdSi-UiRGKQqA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7wuGb46fSAhWM8YMKHUa3COYQ6AEINTAG#v=onepage&q=June%20the%209th%2C%201869%20approved%20by%20the%20president&f=false" target="_blank">an agreement</a> was made between a group of Shawnees and the Cherokee Nation. Under that agreement, <i>"the said Shawnees shall be incorporated into and ever after remain part of the Cherokee Nation, <b>on equal terms in every respect</b>, and with all the privileges and immunities of native citizens of the said Cherokee Nation;..."</i>
[emphasis mine] Years later, those Shawnees and their descendants were
included in the Cherokee Nation citizenry and listed on the Final Dawes
Rolls as Cherokee by blood.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">That section of our law is critical in the evaluation of the term "<b>citizen by blood</b>". It says in order to file to run for office, a person must show proof of "<span style="color: red;"><u>citizen</u></span>ship <span style="color: red;"><u>by</u></span> INDIAN <span style="color: red;"><u>blood</u></span>".</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The requirements to run for tribal council are plainly stated in the current Election Law. There is no reason to go back to a previous court decision (the Lucy Allen decision) when our current law answers the question posed to the Election Commission. The law says a person must show proof of Indian blood and be a citizen of the Cherokee Nation to run for an elective office.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Randy White followed the law. Nowhere in that law does it say he had to show proof of citizenship by "Cherokee" blood. Instead, it says he had to show proof of citizenship by Indian blood. He did that. I'm no<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"> lawyer, but it <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">seems clear<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"> </span></span>that</span></span> he <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">is</span> eligible to run for tribal council.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">If the founders intended for the Constitution to require people to be "Cherokee by blood" in order to run for tribal council, they would have said <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">it</span>. <b>They did not say it</b>. If the tribal council intended for the law to say a candidate had to show proof of citizenship by "Cherokee blood", they would have said it. <b>They did not say it</b>. The simple language of the law says any Indian citizen of the Cherokee Nation can run for tribal council.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Despite the fact most of us are not District 11 voters, are not of Shawnee descent, and do not know Randy White, we should all be concerned about protecting his legal right to run for tribal council. This is about something bigger than one district, a lineage, and who we know. This is about ensuring that we have a fair election that follows our laws and without the perception of impropriety.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Randy White plans to file an appeal on Monday morning. This case will go to the Cherokee Nation Supreme Court. Hopefully the Court will carefully review the information and make a fair and just decision based on the current laws of the Cherokee Nation.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">March 31 - Last day to register to vote in the 2017 Cherokee Nation election.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"> (<a href="https://www.cherokee.org/Portals/0/Documents/ElectionCommission/2014/2014%20VRA.pdf" target="_blank">Click here for the link to the form to register to vote or change your address.</a>)</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">April 21 - Last day to request an Absentee Ballot</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"> (<a href="http://www.cherokee.org/Portals/0/Documents/ElectionCommission/2017%20Election/2017%20Absentee%20Ballot%20Request%20Form.pdf" target="_blank">Click here for the absentee ballot request form.</a>)</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Only certain districts vote for council members this year. Candidates who have filed to run in 2017 as of 5pm today (February 9, 2017, the final day to file) are:</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Joe Byrd (i)</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Johnny "<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">DeWayne" </span>Hammer</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Leslie Hannah</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Freddie Ferrell</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Claude Stover</span></span></div>
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<br /></div>
<div class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>District 4</b></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Teasie McCrary</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Linda Sacks</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Mike Dobbins</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Bo Highers</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Sarah Cowett</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>District 5</b></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Dink Scott</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">E.O. Smith</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Uriah Grass</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>District 7</b></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Frankie Hargis (i)</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Virginia Hollaway</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">David Commingdeer </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Clayton Herrington</span></span></div>
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<br /></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>District 9</b></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Mike Shambough</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Clifton Hughes</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Anthony Cochran</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Anyone near Tahlequah, Oklahoma wanting to help out and donate can bring non-flammable and non-perishable goods to the Cosby Law Office located at 218 S. Muskogee in<span class="text_exposed_show">
Tahlequah. A storage unit in Keys has been donated by JR Baker to house
the supplies until it can be shipped to our Sioux Brothers and Sisters."* Donations will be accepted for the next week or two.</span></span></span><br />
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getting these supplies to North Dakota is greatly appreciated. Donations can be made through Paypal at </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}"><span class="UFICommentBody">entimeart@gmail.com . Use the "Send money to friends and family" option.</span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">*Information from the facebook page of Cole Hogner.</span></span><br />
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http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1193206024924903477.post-119694917914387782016-07-14T09:34:00.000-05:002016-07-14T09:34:32.656-05:00Did Warren invent the story of racist grandparents?<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 2012, while running for the US Senate, reporters at the <a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/07/special_report_heritage_flap_may_sow_distrust_for_liz_warren" target="_blank">Boston Herald</a> discovered Elizabeth Warren had listed herself as a minority in law directories that were often used for hiring purposes. It's believed by many that Warren listed herself as such in order to game the system and take advantage of affirmative action. Those beliefs are supported by the fact Harvard used her for diversity purposes and considered her Harvard Law's first "woman of color."</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">When questioned about listing herself as a minority, Warren said she was Native American and she further elaborated by proclaiming that her parents had to elope because her father's parents despised Indians so much, they refused to allow him to marry her mother, a purported Indian.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The problem with Warren's story is that none of the <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html" target="_blank">evidence</a> supports it. Her <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html" target="_blank">genealogy</a> shows no indication of Cherokee ancestry.
Her <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/08/when-is-elopement-not-elopement.html" target="_blank">parents' wedding</a> doesn't resemble an elopement. And <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">add<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">itio<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">nal evidence</span></span></span> doesn't
show any indication of her Herring grandparents being Indian haters.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In
1937, Elizabeth Warren's paternal grandparents, Grant and Ethel Herring, made the one and a half
hour trip from their home in Wetumka, Oklahoma to Sallisaw, Oklahoma to visit Grant's brother, Frank Herring. Later <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">all of them</span> made a thirty minute drive to Fort Smith, Arkansas to visit Frank's brother-in-law,<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"> </span>Carnall Wheeler, and his family. While the women stayed at the
Wheeler home to visit, the men spent the day playing golf at the Hardscrabble Country
Club.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Democrat American, Sallisaw, Oklahoma, September 30, 1937. Click to enlarge.</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">That
snippet from the Society Pages may seem rather mundane and insignificant
but it isn't. While Warren has repeatedly said her paternal grandparents disliked Indians, this news clipping indicates otherwise. The man Warren's paternal
grandpa spent the day playing golf with, Carnall Wheeler, was an Indian
and listed as <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">one<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">-fo<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">urth</span></span></span> Cherokee by blood on the Dawes Roll.</span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Dawes Census Card 999 - Carnall Wheeler outlined in green - Click to enlarge</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Section of Dawes Census Card 999 - Carnall Wheeler - Click to enlarge</td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">It was no secret that Carnall Wheeler was an Indian. Upon his graduation from the Virginia Military Institute in 1909, <a href="https://archive.org/stream/bomb1909virg#page/62/mode/2up" target="_blank">his biography</a> referred to him as an "Aboriginal" and there were biting references to war-whoops and the green-corn dance (rats appear to be new students.) One of his nicknames was listed as "Squaw."</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Wheeler's biography is uncomfortable to read because there are racist remarks included but it leaves no doubt that people knew he was an Indian.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The golf outing was not the first time Warren's paternal grandparents met Wheeler. He was in attendance at the <a href="http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/08/the-25th-anniversary-party.html" target="_blank">25th wedding anniversary party</a> for Frank and Kitty Herring in October 1936. Warren's paternal grandparents attended that party so they knew who he was. They made a <span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">conscious</span> decision to accompany Frank to Wheeler's house in 1937. They could have excused themselves from the visit in a number of ways, but they chose not to do so. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Clearly, Wheeler experienced some degree of racism in his life due to his being Indian. Despite this, there is one person we know who did not have a problem associating with him -- Grant Herring<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">,</span> the grandfather of Elizabeth Warren, the same grandfather she claims was racist against Indians.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">Those are my thoughts for today.</span></span><br />
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